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Markaba 2.0
Bite my shiny pedo ass
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 Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | Jesus Christ is Lord of the universe. Therefore "every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" (Phil. 2:11). To confess (Gk., exomolog[ma]etai) means "to acknowledge," "affirm," or "agree." Everyone--damned demons, damned men, holy angels, glorified saints--will acknowledge He is Lord. By "every tongue" Paul did not mean every physical tongue in every mouth, but every language (Gk., gl[ma]ossa). Another way to express the idea is that all rational beings will acknowledge His lordship. |
I'll bet you get some kind of bizarre thrill out of imagining us being forced to bow to your god. You can imagine whatever you like. It ain't gonna happen, but you have fun with your fantasies. Each to his own. 
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Markaba 2.0
Bite my shiny pedo ass
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | if objective moral values do not exist |
They don't exist.
| angelobrazil wrote: | | everything is relative, and a oposite view might be as much valid as mine. Who sets the standard of what is right, what is wrong, faced the fact, that nobody of us is perfectly rational ? morality would be then wholly subjective and non-binding. |
We are quite good at setting standards for ourselves without any deity's help. Obviously, since we've been doing it since the time of Hammurabi or before. Are we perfect? Of course not. Standards change and you're never going to satisfy everyone. But all-in-all civilization is still standing, isn't it?
| angelobrazil wrote: | | We cannot be good or bad without God. |
And yet we are. But if what you say here was true, then you've just proven that free will is a hoax. If we are incapable of goodness or badness without God, then it would be God's fault if we wound up in hell, wouldn't it? Case closed. |
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Wolverine
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | God doesn’t force himself upon us. He has given evidence of Himself which is sufficiently clear for those with an open mind and an open heart, but sufficiently vague so as to not to compel those who hearts are closed. |
So your god does not want us in heaven? Then why do you still come here trying to recruit us? Your god himself made himself vague, you are trying to make him less vague, you think your god will tolerate you acting against his will? |
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Wolverine
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | Quote: | | Atheists are the minority- we always have been. It's easy to do what you do. |
that is what you think. Its not easy to live a life according to God's will. It is a challenge every day, to crucify its own carnal inclinations, and to do, what is right, what is Gods will. |
So what carnal inclinations do you crucify every day? Are you homosexual?
| angelobrazil wrote: | | Quote: | | You not only copy paste your responses here, you copy paste your very morality. |
Who are you to judge my morality ? You dont know me, you dont know my life. And you have no right, even if you would know my life, to judge me. |
We can judge you for lying in this forum, and violating your own gods wishes in other ways as well.
You judged us without knowing us.
| angelobrazil wrote: | | Theoretically, you can rape a small child, and moreally speaking, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Its like eating a ice cream. If God does not exist, no objective moral values exist. |
Even if gods exist, no objective morals exist, because no god ever gave laws in a way that could be told from a man creating the morals. If we assume Moses existed, and returned from some hill with stone tablets, can you prove he did not write them himself?
And if no gods exist, mankind can still create own objective morals, since objective morals are just codes, and you already established that humans can create code. An ignorant shepherd could have come up with the morals of the Bible, so it does not seem to need superhuman intelligence to create some objective morals.
Also note that nowhere in the Bible does it clearly say sex with children is bad, as an example, or slavery is bad, or discrimination, or suppression, or totalitarism, or the use of torture, or women rights, ad so on. The bible is the outdated summary of the morals of some Hebrew shepherds, a god would at least have made morals include slavery, discrimination, freedom of speech, absence of torture and such.
| angelobrazil wrote: | | But we, Christians, we have hope of eternal life, and to be together with our beloved God, creator of the heavens and the earth, knowing, that all we do here on earth, specially the good deeds, will be rewarded. We have hope of a brilliant future. |
You are not the only ones. Any mad cult which believes in an afterlive has that hope. Why not chose the eternal hunting grounds? Isn't that preferable to be in heaven next to Hitler?
| angelobrazil wrote: | | If God does not exist, then both man and the universe are inevitably doomed to death. Man, like all biological organisms, must die. |
Actually, even if gods existed, had created the universe, DNA, the internet and all that, that does not mean there is any afterlife. This is just wishful thinking.
| angelobrazil wrote: | | Your chance is today and now. Tomorrow it could be too late. |
Today could be too early. If I was god, I would not want any stupid parrots around me who cannot do anything beyond copying and pasting from webpages. I mean seriously, what good would that to to any god? You are a boring zealot, I could not spend 5 minutes with you, let alone eternity. If some god existed, he would choose the smart people, who can do a conversation of their own. Meaning those who did not jump onto the religion bandwagon early, just to be safe. So today could be much too early. Best wait until some god gives a stronger signal. |
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andkon
It's not a VOW of chastity...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolverine wrote: | | angelobrazil wrote: | | Quote: | | Atheists are the minority- we always have been. It's easy to do what you do. |
that is what you think. Its not easy to live a life according to God's will. It is a challenge every day, to crucify its own carnal inclinations, and to do, what is right, what is Gods will. |
So what carnal inclinations do you crucify every day? Are you homosexual? |
Ah, that's probably why angelobrazil has aides. |
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mortato
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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If we would not sin, this world would be a paradise. |
Nope, it would be nicer for most of us but for a kid born with spina bifida it would not be a paradise. |
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mortato
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: |
By the time of their destruction, Canaanite culture was, in fact, debauched and cruel, embracing such practices as ritual prostitution and even child sacrifice. |
Yup, child sacrifice is immoral. Another reason I wouldn't even follow let alone worship your god.
And as for ritual prostitution, not sure what the ritual part is but it sounds a bit dodgy. Then again not as dodgy as Lot offering his daughters to a gang of rapists. |
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Clancy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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There is no such thing as sin if you have no god to sin against.
Morality is a construct, it is in no way objective.
Most human beings find themselves living in families, in groups, in societies. The only way to continue to survive in those societies is to operate with in a defined set of rules, or values. THAT is what defines our morals (or ethics, as I prefer) not some belief in some wishy washy sky fairy.
Frankly there are quite a few of the so called "sins" that I find absolutely nothing morally repugnant about, quite happy to engage in them thanks...as long as it doesnt involve hurting another person. Which is something of course, that the writers of your god had no hesitation in doing.
The morally self righteous are often the most hypocritical.
The bounds of any ones ethics are defined by the same cultural boundaries that people find themselves in. What is quite freely permitted in a small tribe in Africa within their sciety, is completely alien to a small village in England. Slowly our ethics are bleeding together, but there are still going to be huge differences. That doesnt make them WRONG, it just makes them different.
Even in the bible, I bet you there are many things that the bible advocates you do that you would not touch with a ten foot pole. And quite a few things it completely forbids that you have probably done, or thought about doing with not a twinge of guilt. |
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Markaba 2.0
Bite my shiny pedo ass
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolverine wrote: | | So what carnal inclinations do you crucify every day? Are you homosexual? |
Don't you know, Wolverine, that if you've committed one sin you've committed them all? |
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angelobrazil
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mortato wrote: | | angelobrazil wrote: |
If we would not sin, this world would be a paradise. |
Nope, it would be nicer for most of us but for a kid born with spina bifida it would not be a paradise. |
wihtout sin, there would be no desease. |
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andkon
It's not a VOW of chastity...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | wihtout sin, there would be no desease. |
Quote of the Week! Again. If we had signatures, this'd be mine.
Close down all hospitals! Smash all microscopes! The cure for all disease is following the superstitions of a primitive tribe!
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wageslave
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cease deist! |
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Markaba 2.0
Bite my shiny pedo ass
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| angelobrazil wrote: | | wihtout sin, there would be no desease. |
Ah, so I should blame my birth defect (born without a right hand and forearm) on my naughty ancestors? Awesome! Who do I sue? |
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Lisa 1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Markaba 2.0 wrote: | | Who do I sue? |
EVE! You sue Eve. She made Adam sin. No wonder so many men hate women. |
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Markaba 2.0
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Lisa 1 wrote: | | Markaba 2.0 wrote: | | Who do I sue? |
EVE! You sue Eve. She made Adam sin. No wonder so many men hate women. |
Yes, but Eve is dead. However, since her sin carried forth in perpetuity, I can sue my parents and grandparents! Wow, I'd have some money again . . . as long as I remained childless.  |
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StephenAI
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lisa 1 wrote: | | Markaba 2.0 wrote: | | Who do I sue? |
EVE! You sue Eve. She made Adam sin. |
Can you blame her? |
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Lisa 1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The more I think about it, why is Eve even implicated? God knows, she came from Adam's rib. Adam was the one who executed the actual sin. Such a weak little turd, he let her take the fall.<pointing to his left> "It was her what made me do it!" |
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Markaba 2.0
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Lisa 1 wrote: | | The more I think about it, why is Eve even implicated? God knows, she came from Adam's rib. Adam was the one who executed the actual sin. Such a weak little turd, he let her take the fall.<pointing to his left> "It was her what made me do it!" |
It's the same old story. The ancient Greeks blamed a little girl for the evils of the world. The ancient Hebrews blamed a woman who was as innocent as a babe, as was Adam. After all, if there was no sin in the world until they ate the apple, how can they be held accountable for their actions? They disobeyed God, but so what? How could they understand the consequences of their actions if sin did not yet exist? |
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Lisa 1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Markaba 2.0 wrote: | | The ancient Greeks blamed a little girl ... The ancient Hebrews blamed a woman ... |
If only I had an inkling of this innate power... |
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Markaba 2.0
Bite my shiny pedo ass
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lisa 1 wrote: | | If only I had an inkling of this innate power... |
Oh, Lisa, channel your inner goddess. |
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Uncle Howard
Feed Your Head
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Why doesn't anyone ever blame the damn snake?
Is the ophiologists' lobby that powerful? |
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Markaba 2.0
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing: I'm gettin' tired of these motherfuckin' snakes on this motherfuckin' forum! |
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Uncle Howard
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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And there he is, folks: the talented Sam Jackson.
Take a bow, Sam. |
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Tommy
Scaling the cliffs of insanity
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| As a big Sam Jackson fan, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch this film. It must surely be as bad as it looks? |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: | | As a big Sam Jackson fan, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch this film. It must surely be as bad as it looks? |
When it's over, watch the shark one, it'll make you feel better.  |
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