Sharia law in UK (VC's petition)

Glad you've signed.

Shame that you and I have sort of clashed over this when, from looking at your channel and your own videos, it seems that we are along the same lines.

I greatly respect VC, perhaps more than any other on YouTube, and found your comments about 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' and aligning me with the people who just rant, with a default comment of "F--- Islam" etc, as rather unaware and a little imperceptive, especially from someone who considers himself to be these things. I am like VC, balanced, non-racist, with a passionate and abiding interest in the right of the individual to freedom of speech.

In fact, having been away all weekend, I returned late last night, determined to write to you in as comprehensive manner as I could about all the things that I felt needed addressing. You were a thorn in my side as I could not, for the life of me, understand why you had taken the approach you did. You have humour, intelligence, and a rarity amongst commentators these days, a good command of the English language (and you can spell!).

I wanted to say to you that I have often been affected by the plight of the poor, ignorant muslims because of what they aren't told, what they don't know. Like the man who dearly loves his only daughter but for the sake of his family honour, the clan, his local imam and allah himself, he casts the first stone at her. Someone who can do such an act is in the grip of something so powerful that to not do it would be worse than doing it and watching her pretty face crushed and bloodied. Like the tens of thousands who subject their beloved girls to FGM because they firmly believe it is right. I have no hate for these people, how could I have? They are merely deluded by design, and unaware. But it is impossible to reach so many of the rank and file muslims, and tell them what the free world has to offer. My letter was written, but unfortunately I could not post it and somehow failed to copy it. Should I bother to write again, I wondered. Well, two strong cups of coffee later, here I am!

Since the government and any other powers-that-be have been so hell bent on a programme of multiculturalism (see Saturday's Guardian and the remarks of the shadow home secretary), it is them we must fight, we must go to the top and change hearts and minds as there is no way we can turn the tide of this monstrous invasion into our freedoms that will almost certainly come about because of these short-sighted policies.

If we publicised sharia enough so that ordinary people could see where it is operating and what it is doing that would be a start. Someone has to bring in a bill that says sharia law will never be enshrined into UK law. Period. Cameron has apparently said this. If we ejected all ranting white-robed fanaticals, if we stopped all funding of faith schools (this increases the isolation of muslims in our community - the absolute opposite of what the 'well-intentioned' do-gooders wanted), stopped paying out for multi-wives (against our laws - we wouldn't pay out to mormon wives, would we?), and stopped giving a leg-up to mosques here there and everywhere. I could go on about stopping any kind of religious favouritism, but for the moment, the 'biggie' is islam.

If we were able to do all of this, and c'mon MJW, that does not mean I'm a bloodthirsty racist, then the UK would be an impregnable fortress that islam could not penetrate. That is what my Spitfire pilot dad fought for, as did those of my relatives in two bloody world wars. I'm not about to give up on it just yet. But joining the BNP is one step too far.

There is a conference on 10th October with Maryam Namazie and Richard Dawkins about Political Islam, Sharia and Civil Society. I'm going to make the long pilgramage there!!!

Look forward to your long-winded reply...!

Regards, IB

"I agree with VictimlessCriminal a lot. That is why I subscribed to his channel. What I don't agree with is the scum who have been attracted recently who seem to be motivated primarily by hatred, especially hatred of Muslims." I think what we are seeing is the furious backlash against the muslim community which stems from sheer impotence. Of course, this is stoked up by the popular press which tell us that Abu Hamza and his hooks owns a house worth £n million, and yet he's on benefits etc, we hear how schools have to change their books because certain ones offend the sensibilities of islam, so on and so forth. We didn't bow down and change things to accommodate any other 'religion', why islam? Impotence turns to rage as we stand by, watching the vehicle that is England being hijacked by the do-gooding, multicultural, politically correct, health and safety officials. This means that we won't get to the end of our journey because it is not going where we want it to go, it is full of other people who we would rather not spend any time with (remember, it is our car, not theirs) and anyway, we have to keep stopping along the way to pick up yet more rude passengers who don't help with the expenses, and also because the officials tell us the car needs more money spending on it, and we are doing so many little journeys that it needs more and more petrol, some oil, and quite possibly an engine change. It's our car, dammit!! Why don't they keep their noses out and let us get on with our journey? And as we are driven down the road to yet another place we don't want to go, we look at the wan, anxious faces of other car owners who aren't even able to sit in the front seats of their own car; some of them are on the roof rack and the lucky ones are squashed in the back seat. The rage has some justification, I believe.

I do not hate Muslims. I see most of them as victims. I wrote about this earlier, but this, of course, is part of the big problem we have in finding the right way of dealing with delusionals. Of course some Muslims are far from innocent victims of a powerful memeplex, some are clearly bloodthirsty psychopaths who enjoy keeping women down and love the idea of righteous violence, in the same way so many Americans do. IThere is a strong similarity between those who wave and those who burn the American flag. There is hatred and triumphalism on both sides, and a passionate love of violence in the name of their definition of the only rightful cause. I have a great distaste for any form of swaggering, posturing and violence in the name of a cause. I am heartily sickened by the louts who are attracted by the prospect of going out to Iraq or Afghanistan to kill sand-niggers and towel-heads, or kafirs.

Many people who have been hanging around VC's videos have been looking for a war. They do not want a peaceful solution, they want to be able to go out and kill Muslims under the pretence of upholding freedom and the British way of life. I quite agree with you, and just like the muslim-hating ranters that we discussed in the previous paragraph, testosterone has a lot to answer for. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the 'fight for right' as adopted by the US and UK troops, for instance, does satisfy something deep in their psyches and will not be quenched until the blood lust is sated, if it ever is.

I have no time for religion, I have watched the men of God, at the drop of a hat, turn into table bangers, index finger jabbers and screamers whose glazed eyes are dead to reason or debate, or even life itself. Power and money are the goals, of course, but they somehow manage to get people to believe in their message. Strange, that. There is nothing about any sort of religion or cult that is healthy, and I am very suspicious of people that say how much it does for the world, or what would we do without it. As far as I can see, the religious Americans (big percentage!) are quite similar to the muslims inasmuch as they appear to have a sort of pious, holier-than-thou, double-standard approach to their lives. This is only my impression/opinion and I am sure there are those that can tear my arguments wide apart, but at the end of the day, we humans are all blessed with our own unique intuition and perceptions on life and that is what makes us all special. Vive la différence! If I am writing a book, or more formal document, I do meticulous research, but for the purposes of our little discussion, Martin, I believe you expected me to respond to you in a quasi stream-of-conscious manner. Would that all people could communicate in a gloves-off, honest, and transparent manner without the super-ego sieving everything to ensure that nobody was offended and your popularity maintained. Too much sieving makes Jack a dishonest boy.

There's nothing British about religious or race riots. I love the English language and its wonderful rich vocabulary but I am proud that we have to import the term pogrom. But we may, at some time in the future, have that word used about us as a race? The English language is poetic and beautiful, and is even more fascinating when placed in context with, say, French and possibly the Spanish language. The English nuance, when delivered with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel, can be such a clever tool that one should never have to resort to rants. Chris Hitchens is one who has mastered this skill. That's what is missing from the usual run-of-the-mill discussions with the God-brigade. They talk at you with very little finesse, relying on rhetoric, basic psychology and sometimes bully-boy tactics to steer you away from the subject. A good debate makes the heart swell with pride, when the participants treat other with respect, use a turn of phrase so well chosen and delicate that it immediately illustrates and illuminates. I was transfixed by a debate with Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Dennett, wow!

II think VC would be well advised to avoid mentioning Islam for his next few videos, or at the very least ensure that Islam is very far from being his main focus. The targeting of Islam has been encouraging racists, Islamophobes and wannabe vigilantes and ethnic cleansers out of the woodwork. With friends like them who needs enemies? I have to say, though, that if you pan out of this, those who you term Islamophobes have a useful part to play in the drama that is unfolding. You see, sometimes you have to have a loud voice in order to be heard, go over the top, make a spectacle of yourself. I believe they have a very useful part to play in the redefining of our country.

Given the foregoing, it could well be that VC is treating this particular petition as a test case. I would imagine that there are more than 5560 people in the UK who are aware of the potential impact of sharia, and if they can't be bothered to put their name on a petition to say so, then his target will not be reached. But following on from my last comment, a slight dichotomy seems to be emerging. These ones with the loud voices, these 'gob-shites' that frequent YT and other similar sites, seem to be drawing the line at active participation. It will be interesting to see what happens on 4th October when the petition ends, but I have my suspicions that the petition will fall woefully short. No matter, we reap what we sow. Maybe things haven't got bad enough yet to prise them out of their armchairs?

I entirely agree with you about the idea that Muslims are victims. Every day I see children of Muslim parents (there is no such thing as a Muslim child) and I grieve for the opportunities and freedom that they will be missing out on because of the indoctrination they will receive and the insulated Islamic subculture they will be raised in. I am also appalled at the way Islam (along with Catholicism and Judaism) uses sex to sell itself, as adult Muslims feel they have a duty to threaten their children to marry only fellow Muslims and to ensure that the children are brought up in the faith. That is using your daughter's sexuality to buy the souls of your grandchildren, that deserves a special word to combine the concepts of blasphemy, bribery and pimping. That has to be the lowest and dirtiest trick in the holy book. I have watched clips of muslim women in primitive locations extolling the benefits of FGM as a 'must-have' which means that their daughters will be pure, and walk tall and proud, and the girl, the family, the clan and even good old allah sitting there up on a cloud watching over them will be happy about it. Their sincerity is a wonderful advertisement for the power of propoganda. Conversely, I sat through a video about a remote tribe where parents tenderly gathered up their offspring, carrying them to a designated pit where they would be smashed and then buried while still alive. The parents glowed with pride and happiness; the children often cried because they didn't understand. Of course, on this particular video there was a lot of the usual 'shoot the buggers' or 'why didn't the film crew bloody stop it?' I commented that this was their culture; it is not for us to step in and change it because when we left them, they would go back to the same practices.

Exposure to whatever one would call 'real life' would be the best education for all of these people, not a rap over the knuckles. To quote Ayaan Hirsi Ali again, she wrote that when she went to Holland first, she was covered from head to toe and couldn't believe that any of the girls she met went out with bare legs, or no sleeves. Until, eventually, AHA tried it herself, a little at a time. And no, men there didn't grope her, leap upon her and rape her. No one gave her even a second glance, and this (together with her early indoctrination in Somalia that all Jews had snouts etc) caused her to re-think Islam. But there is something dreadfully wrong with muslim men (in their own countries, not so much over here) that treat every women as fair game, and seem unable to have any morals or scruples about rape. But is this a fair question when their role model is not up to much, and when Islam hasn't had the benefit of any sort of enlightenment in all these years? We can all go on about them being like animals, and yes they are, but whose fault is it? They need women, and the women need the men. Of course I'm sickened by such sexist behaviour, and I'm maddened by what is done to women. What can you expect from a pig but a grunt, my mother always used to say. It is the clerics that are promulgating this behaviour, and it is logic that the agenda must be to fill the world with muslim children. That's why child brides, that's why multiple wives. But of course the rank and file don't realise they are pawns in the power game. Like a clockwork toy they have been wound up, pointed in the right direction, and let loose on humanity.

We need to ensure that the nonsense of faith schools is ended. Schools in Britain, all schools, no matter how they are funded, must teach that religion is a choice and not a destiny, and that choosing not to decide or choosing to have no religion is just as valid a choice as any other. The other thing which has to be taught clearly and unambiguously is that morality is, always has been and should be independent of beliefs about gods, spirits, angels and after life. Morality was not invented by religion and people who have no beliefs in gods can be and are moral, and in many cases are significantly more moral than many who are seen to pray, tithe or go on the Hajj. I can't add much to this as victimlesscriminal's Religion is the Great Hijacker series says it all. The religious people seem so scared of atheists populating the planet, perplexed and seemingly unable to grasp that we can quite happily live without rules and regulations, we are not all hedonists (although I have seen Christopher Hitchens with the odd glass of whisky and several ciggies). I wrote the outline for a book in 1998, purely for my own purposes, to unravel why we need labels so much, and how important are clubs for us to belong to, how and why religion came about, etc etc. How I ache for this great country of ours to be once more a blank canvas where religion is relegated to a nice little hobby (at your own expense)! It seems to be such lunacy to allow some amorphous blob to make decisions for you, to tell him all your inner processes and believe he's actually listening … sometimes he talks back and gives you advice, lol! To be able to just trust in yourself - the buck stops here - and stand by the decisions you've made makes for a life-changing experience. I know, because I've done it. No more asking for help when in a jam, no more relying on God to help you out, or believing that your every move is being monitored. How liberating is that? To witness the next generation of British children not being force-fed religion and the potential knock-on benefits to society is something that seems quite outside the realms of possibility as things stand the moment.

I was forced into religion (C of E) at a young age and confused as to why people wore their best hats and their best behaviour, but were bad tempered and without hats for the rest of the week. I especially didn't get the bit about the body and blood of Christ and the swinging of incense. Why people talked in hushed tones and revered someone who my sister and I came across lying in the fields with a spinster of the parish (she had a leg-iron too). Anyway, I digress. Faith schools. Great stuff to teach any 'holy' book as part of a history lesson including the concept of creationism, but Mrs Palin is worrying me. Jewish, Catholic etc faith schools might have a better academic record than 'ordinary' schools, but I have a feeling that the product of the muslim faith schools will not be the bright and balanced stars of academia. Indoctrination is a powerful tool.

Multiculturalism has been a huge mistake. Was it ever anybody's plan? I doubt it. I think it just sort of grew, out of apathy and a fear of saying or doing anything remotely offensive. It is not a good strategy. Initially immigration was "Commonwealth immigration", a temporary solution to the problems of a labour shortage in a booming post-war economy. It was people such as Health Secretary Enoch Powell who encouraged it. Nobody expected the immigrants to stay and to refuse to integrate. The two competing models were American melting pot immigration and guest workers, short term economic migrants sending home most of their wage packets to their families back home or taking home a pot of savings to raise a family back home in Pakistan or Jamaica. But that wasn't what happened, neither model was accurate. The new immigrants settled but did not integrate and they used arranged marriages to bring in more and more people, especially cousins and close contacts back in the home village. That is untenable. What's in it for us? We have nothing to gain from these elderly relatives, brides and grooms who do not have any intention of learning our language or being integrated into our communities. Again, I agree with all you say on this point. We needed them, and to our eternal shame, we didn't want them when it didn't suit us. The older first-generation immigrants have carved out a niche for themselves and integrated reasonably well, the young ones? Well, blame it on that horrible testosterone again, as the integration is not quite so pronounced (yet) if you consider media buzzwords like knives and street gang culture. The muslims do not integrate, and we have done quite the wrong thing in giving them all manner of support, particularly with resources, in order to live a comfortable life, enjoy England and not feel out of place. Just like Holland, our pathetic attitude has created even more of a social and religious divide.

We should not accept any arranged marriages as a reason to migrate to this country. People have a right to marry, of course, and to migrate, but not to migrate in order to marry or vice versa. The families would have to bring in the spouses under the point system, proving they could speak English and had something to offer this country or the marriage could be done overseas, and the couple could then apply for citizenship as a married couple. Fair enough. What about the young muslim girls disappearing from school back to Pakistan or wherever in an arranged marriage? Do they eventually come back to England with elderly new husband in tow?

A country cannot operate without shared culture and values. England and Scotland can coexist together because although we are different we have more in common than divides us. But many of the Islamic ghettos in our towns and cities today are becoming more foreign than British. Teenagers are acting more distinctively Muslim than their parents. This process has to be reversed. But we have to be careful how we do this, inflaming Muslims is so easy to do and is so counter-productive. We have to walk that line bravely without falling for the easy rhetoric of fight, struggle, spitfires, crusaders, Arthur and Boudicca. What's wrong with Spitfires and Boudicca? Everything has its place, and without those and the other things you mention we wouldn't be what we are today. Unfortunately, that means that as a nation we've a degree of rather unfounded pride in our past.

Having said all the foregoing, past events do tend to go in cycles. I can see in comparative terms how muslims can see us and our brethren across the Atlantic as debauched, decadent, dissolute, call it what you will, which makes them even more resolute in their defence of purity. Even in America there is a recently reported movement of young girls and boys making vows of celibacy. And it may be that this groundswell of public opinion pushes people back into more fundamental religion again!! Cue Mrs Palin (apologies for mentioning her again)….

As I said, Martin, this is only stream-of-consciousness stuff. You may well find it ill-thought out, or rather naive, but it comes direct from someone who cares very much about what happens to England, and is quite fascinated by unfolding events.