In the future it may be wise to refrain from bringing up young earth creationism during sex. Try nibbling on her ear instead.

My point: Ghettos work. Lately they've been unfair because organized by income and race instead of level of education. Poor artists and poor peopel with masters' degree don't create problem, so it has nothing to do with income. Low income is just a side effect, one of the possible symptoms displays by lousy fuckers.

Ugh....I can feel my clit shriveling up at the thought.

I don't know that I've ever seen an ugly one. Some are hairier than others. Some have lips that fold out like a flower opening (which is a very welcoming sight, I might add). Some have a big clitoris on top, others are small. But they all look pretty good to me. They're just different from each other, that's all.

Good buttocks, in my opinion, are round and firm, and can be scooped up into the palm without oozing much through the fingers.

I'd be quite happy to have sex with a horse if I could be sure that he was consenting.

Well those are the two options I wanted to discuss in this instance, basically is bestiality more or less abhorrent than eating meat to a vegetarian, someone who already has an obvious issue with the misuse of animals by humans? The question would be pretty redundant if it was phrased "Sex movie or living in a paddock and loved by Cynthia aged twelve"

Happy birthday (a little late, I'm guessing.) I got a new tattoo for mine. Says "Evolution." in hexadecimal. I figure, Xtians get crosses.....

Again? It's a bit like comparing murder to rape, isn't it? There's just something about actually eating meat that I suppose I find much more abhorrent to shagging a non-human animal. Although at the same time, if presented with a man eating a hotdog and man screwing a chicken, I would probably form an immediate negative opinion of the chicken-screwer and not the hotdog eater.

The one thing that strikes me is the unabashed arrogance of many posters here. No doubt, this is a highly intellectual place with highly intelligent people (that might be the only undebatable point on Debate Unlimited). However, sometimes even highly intelligent people are wrong (don't worry, not you).

Actually, i was considering an entry into something designed as an outgo. I've experienced it, and can't imagine it being pleasureable even if the doctor was attractive and bought me dinner first.

A late breaking news release from the land of the long white cloud...New Zealanders have today declared that their scientists have discovered two new uses for sheep...Mutton and wool.

A Faithful Copy does not indicate a belief that the Xerox machine was legally bonded with the paper.

I have long been interested in men who urinate sitting down.

Coke is over-rated, I prefer Dandelion and Burdock, Vimto or Tizer.

After a vasectomy, you're still possibly 'fertile' for up to six weeks after. Stuff that's been produced, but not removed from stock. So, they test at 6 weeks and again two weeks after that. If you're still fertile at either test, it isn't really reason to worry, yet, it might still be pre-surgery sperm. But i really hate makeup exams, so for the 6 weeks after my surgery, i studied hard to make sure i passed the tests the first time.

If you are male, or have one handy, and own a microscope I suggest you have a look too, it's fascinating stuff, far more interesting than pond water.

Life is too damn short. We need the 40 hour day.

Perhaps it should be supplied as standard in the two forms, impregnated into the opposite ends of a towel would be a good plan, one marked suck me, for leisure, and one marked bite me for use at work.

Dope - Complete inability to do anything unless wholly concentrated on one thing, then convinced this is the best thing in the world. Makes you sleep in too long so no good if you've got to go to work the next day. Sex intense. Laughter hysterical.

Science-minded folk often are misunderstood as snobbish when they just 'feel comfortable' with a 'matter of fact' style of communication. I'm constantly being misunderstood as if I were some kind of 'know it all' when I'm so unbelievably far from it.....(boy, did I leave myself open there.)

Blasphemy, sodomy and recreational drugs seem to be good places to start. Perhaps not all at the same time.

What's the difference between a duck, is, as far as I am aware, an Enid Blyton joke.

I'd also have the standard length to be the length of a pendulum that oscilates at the standard time unit, call that the metre and base everything up from that, which unfortunately would mean we had to tweak everything a little bit from the current system, so it is never going to happen, pity really because it would make all the sums a lot easier and it would mean everything would be based on music and mathematics which would be cool.

Sorry Martin, do you actually buy foreskins????

Woah, how did I miss this thread? This is some funny shit.

You are talking about a game where you hit a ball with a long piece of wood right?

First, if you haven't read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (that most wholly remarkable book), DO SO NOW.

i could be supressing a lot of things....right at the moment i am supressing a fit of the giggles....oh and my bladder.

We've told you before, don't eat flotsam or road-kill.

If a better job can be done with two hours of surgery rather than five years of prison (at a cost similar to putting the offender up in a suite at the Hilton) it has got to be an attractive alternative to consider.

One thing for the Brits to keep in mind: in America, you have to share a room in college. A Cambridge grad student heard this and was a bit baffled...."How do you have sex?"

I'm intrigued by the idea that you can write a book or make a film and somehow kill an idea with it. If we write enough books perhaps we can remove all possible solutions to our problems from the political agenda for all time?

I prefer faux lesbianism, just as I prefer faux fur. I just like my men to be real...

Yes, the guillotine and the rope certainly had the benefit of a commendably low recidivism rate, and both could be re-used again and again.

I'm surprised that, given the vehement opposition of the religious towards the enjoyment of sex by the unmarried, that they haven't proposed dosing the municipal water supply with saltpetre, and offering bottled water to only the married.

It seems certain people can object and make out an apparently valid case that "One is too many!" or "Even one in a billion is too big a risk!" for some things and yet at other times these kind of objections are brushed aside. We want mobile phones so we absorb the risks, we want cars so we absorb the risks, we want convenience foods so we absorb the risks but when certain people see no benefit to them in taking a particular risk they can come over all absolutist. They get squeemish at the idea of executions and then make out that the possibility (OK, inevitability) of some injustice makes it impossible to go along with. Can we really put things right after putting a person in prison for twenty five years for a crime they didn't commit? Can we pay back a man's life, health, youth and freedom? No. But nobody regards the possibility (inevitability) of some such injustices as a reason not to punish anybody, ever.

As the old saying goes: "Christians aren't perfect. They just want you to be."

Of course in the old days it was easier to trust people if you thought they thought they'd fry in Hell if they were bad.

I had an... interesting chat with Martin the other day. All I can say is that I really had no idea, and I mean that literally. The mind boggles...

If you want good fun with farts I suggest refried beans and keeping your jeans on when you ignite them.

I quite liked it in a pensive sort of way.....

I'd like to think of myself as the intelligent man's, thinking sex object....

Ok, now I've got tears in my eyes. This board keeps my heart pounding. I come back to Mr. Cheese on Atheism and penis flies on M&M. It doesn't get any better than this!

Has anybody got any Ol' Janx Spirit?

If I wasn't attached, I'd want to have a good root with Clancy.

Indeed, many male insects have inhibitory circuits in their heads, once you remove their heads they mate readily, but without pleasure. A similar thing happens with the Catholic marriage ceremony.

Therefore, I maintain you cannot make a purely logical choice about whether or not to believe in god any more than you could make the purely logical choice as to whether or not to go insane.

It's often been said that I'm a master baiter.

I'm with you Moksha. Actually I'm with you on so many counts, I'm beginning to wonder if I'm not sleep-posting under a different name.

I am an atheist. I am also an anti-theist; I positively dislike theism and would like to get rid of it. I am also a non-theist, a rationalist, a bright, a secularist, a humanist, and an infidel. Oh, and I'm an engineer; that generally explains a lot.

Yes. I, too, believe in the awsome power of the placebo.

I long for the day when organic ricestraw sandal weaving hippies reject accupuncture as being too mainstream and scientific. That will be a breakthrough.

Ooh these people are scary. Are they real?

The fact that the cure seems to work should be an incentive to find out how and why it works, not just a signal to worship the wisdom of some old crone who happened to stumble upon something that works. We must know the hows and the whys. That way we can get rid of the stuff that isn't necessary. Is acupressure as good as acupuncture? If so we can get rid of the dangerous needles. Can the points be stimulated better by other non-invasive methods? I'd much rather get treatment from a handheld ultrasound transmitter or something of that sort than by a needle that some "therapist" (who has done a three week non-competitive, unexamined, course and smells suspiciously of patchouli) assures me is clean.

The problem is in describing the logical and the analytical as 'cold'. Start describing it as 'warm and comforting' and the prejudice may change. That's exactly how understanding something well feels for a scientist, it is a warm, gleaming clarity, beautiful like well cut crystal, soft like down pillows.

Do you think the Aztecs were peaceful people who wouldn't dream of imposing themselves on another people by military force? The fact is that when people have had the opportunity to beat the crap out of other people and steal their land or take slaves and plunder then it is highly likely that it will happen. Irish pirates plagued the coast of Wales and captured St Patrick. Viking and Danes plundered most of the North Sea coastline. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century Barbary pirates raided the shores of England, Ireland and France taking slaves. The reason it was the vicious army of England who invaded the peaceful farmland of Ireland rather than the other way around is nothing to do with Irish virtue and everything to do with technology and population size. Don't get romantic about this, the enemy isn't an evil in the blood of particular races (which for any other purposes don't exist don't forget) it is a capacity inherent in humanity. Take a Jew who has had seven centuries experience of being a persecuted and hated minority, give him eighteen months in a settler community and he has learnt all he will ever need to know about how to be a vicious xenophobic imperialist bastard.

I have never been presented with INFORMATION by religion. Dogma, yes. Bullcrap, yes. Lies, yes. Doublespeak, yes. Untruth, yes. Deceit, yes. But never any worthwhile information. Therefore, I would hardly characterize my unbelief as "choice". It is simply logical. Could you CHOOSE to believe in something which you recognize to have zero credibility?

Point taken (smartass)

When the rest of the world does things a different way you have to contemplate the possibility that they have the right idea, or at least resign yourself to the fact that there's more of them than there is of you and you'll never have a chance to bury all the bodies. I've resigned myself to accepting the stupidity of my species in this way on several issues, I'm not admitting that I'm wrong, I just know when it isn't sensible to push the matter.

There will be a $10 donation so please deposit, I mean, donate your money in the basket as it passes by. Sorry, I was baptised Catholic.

This forum wanders. It's just the way it is. We are a bright but easily distracted bunch of mass debaters.

I think I'd worry about a pilot who saw each landing as a choice between safe landing or eternity in paradise.

Evolution is "just" the process of developing resistance to dying childless. It isn't a force of nature deserving a capital letter, it only deserves a capital letter if you think erosion, gravity and entropy deserve one too.

Well, he needed dust to make the man...which is why I don't understand why fundies get so offended at the idea that our ancestors arose from the primordial soup or what have you...is being made of dirt that much better?

For a sloth fitness means being very economical with movement to the point that lichen grows in your fur and you only come out of your tree once a week to shit. A fast moving sloth would be very unfit, he'd die of starvation on his low calorie diet or attract the attentions of something which would eat him. The next time you hear the word fitness in an evolutionary context picture the fit sloth, the one who moves so slowly predators can't belive he's actually made of meat.

I don't belong to any religion but I have my own spiritual awareness, being a gnostic (yes, two words). I certainly don't regard God (for want of a better word, and I feel the need to capitalise it) as thinking, feeling, observing, judging, manipulating, interfering or anything else apart from being (or perhaps even Being): a benign presence.

Take it from one who knows, cassocks are no fun.

I use metaphors? Cool. Most people just say i'm talking out my ass. Thanks! HEY! MOM! I use METAPHORS!

What qualifies Buddhism as a religion is belief in the crackpot idea of karma. Every time something bad happens to somebody who has been bad that is taken as evidence of karma, every time it doesn't that is taken as evidence of reincarnation and karma. Any system that wins on both heads and tails, which tells logic and reason to go home early and chill out, is a religion.

Members of other species fuck each other over in competition for resources but at least they don't come up with ideologies in direct contradiction of their behavior, or that they use to justify it...maybe that's why people irk me so much. At some point I got the idea that sentient beings (whatever that means) should behave better...

Can you visualize a nude mother Teresa?

The nipples are there for decoration. They look good there. That's all.

Ask any artist why he adds final touches to a masterpiece and you will find out why God gave man nipples.

Ok, I've officially decided to not reply to any more of the garbage that spews from your keyboard.

People who speculate are not labelled as fools, it is people who insist on the truth of this entirely baseless claim who are. The common thread here is people who believe stuff without there being any evidence for it; and the accompanying contention that said evidence-free belief is somehow laudable.

Did Jesus masturbate? If he did, what did he think about while he masturbated? Did he lust after women when he masturbated?

I know this didn't start out as a thread about Buddhism but I did want to point out one thing -- religious Buddhists didn't riot, didn't storm Afghan embassies, and didn't threaten anyone with death when Muslims (who are, we know, "respectful-of-all-religions") destroyed the Buddhas at Bamiyan.

I'm not a socialist, that ideology is based on a wrong-headed concept of human nature. But I am of the left, the Darwinian left. I want to make things better, I'm not a pessimist about human nature or the nature of nature. We need not put up with living in injustice, tyranny, squalor, violence and filth just because that has always been the way. We are amazing, we have the power to change the rules, because we can understand what those rules are and how they work. Through understanding we can make the world a better place.

*hmmmm....just as I suspected. Martin IS the reincarnation of Charley Darwin AND the Buddha...*

We are the human race, a group of organisms bonded by sexual compatibility. We are not just a collection of family mini-states policed and governed by parental tyrants.

Well, if it's only happened once in recorded history, I'll take my chances and continue to masturbate.

EVERYTHING is through experience. How is that mountain biking, the Grand Canyon, the moon, yogurt, ants, Holland, and dust have more evidence than the creator of the universe?

I never quite understood the whole tooth fairy thing, even when I was small enough to believe everything my mother told me. I don't count that as good for me, or a slight against her powers of explanation, it's just that the idea is too stupid. As for christians, they seem able to believe all sorts of bullshit that nobody in their right minds would bother with (while at the same time being patronizing or contemptuous towards believers of other religions, many of which make more sense than christianity).

so not going there.

I'll bet you Pope Benedict has masturbated. He'll never admit it, just as he'll never let you know what he's lusted after. He's probably atoned for it at confession, done the hail mary's etc. But little Bene has masturbated at least at some time in his life. Somebody ought to demand an honest answer from him; the time is way overdue to quit giving these con artists the respect they've never deserved to have.

Too much sun, too much smiling, too much empathizing with the plight of the poor, that will make you a prune. Stay indoors, don't laugh, don't empathize and you should be OK. So, a good long term strategy for having a well preserved wife who looks attractive into her later years might be to find a young woman who works for the Department of Social Security...

understanding masturbation needs of women-showerhose, showerhose, showerhose.

I don't think Bush has enough grey cells to think in anything other than black and white...

Excuse me, tall gentleman, can you direct me to a bottle of red that will make my tongue go black? Ideally it should make me drunk very quickly without an excessive hangover, taste vaguely of fermented grapes and come from a country I know how to spell. I have, err, £3.50 but I want some chocolate too so go easy on the price, OK?

...but it's one hell of a roller-coaster ride we're all on, isn't it?

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